(1) Banned from the DONM (Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers) Forum for being a Believer.
(2) Censorship, Intolerance, and Discrimination at the Web of Narcissism (WoN) Forum.
* I am updating this Post because due to recent changes at the WoN Forum. I once Highly recommended this Forum, but with great sadness I now have to add it to the Unsafe Forum List. For details on why the WoN Forum is NOT a Safe Place to Share, Click Here. Is it "as bad" as the DONM Forum Listed below? Some say yes, some say no, so You need to judge for yourself and make your own decision. "Not as bad" is still No Good.
(Below is about the DONM On-Line Support Group Forum)
Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers DONM forum members you are in danger, especially if you are a Believer, and a Christian. Danu hates all things about God & Believers. Please, do not turn your back on fellow Believers & Christians. Read for yourself Danu's own words reveal how she truly feels about God, Believers, and Christians.
Don't take my word for it, read Danu's own words from another blog & take a look around who she identifies, agrees, and relates to.
Posted by: Danu 
| February 17, 2010 10:03 AM
| February 17, 2010 10:03 AMI run a website and forum for daughters of narcissistic mothers, and have long believed that the Christian Churches fall into the category of narcissism. The traits of grandiosity, beliefs of great success, entitlement, lack of empathy, requiring excessive admiration, interpersonally exploitative and arrogance certainly apply.
The model of "I'm perfect, you're scum" is the message narcissists give every day, and that Christianity teaches at its very core.
And another element which anybody who has encountered narcissists will know: they accept responsibility for NOTHING. It's ALWAYS somebody else's fault. Always. Without exception. They won't admit to the action if possible, but if they are forced to they will jump through the most amazing hoops to blame others.
And here I see exactly this happening.
To blame hippies' free love (which never as a policy included children) and the media (wtf?) for their shortcomings is very, very narcissistic.
Danu it doesn't take a super shrink to figure out that your NM was a Counterfeit Christian. I am so very sorry she, and most likely others, falsely represented Christ to you. I am so very very sorry for the pain you suffered by their wicked hands. I totally understand where your hate for Believers/Christians come from, but you must stop attacking innocent Believers/Christians in order to narcissistically pay back what was done to you. Stop transferring your anger & hatred towards those Counterfeit Christians who hurt you in the past onto others that have nothing to do w/what was done to you. If you don't want people to mention God on your forum then just say so up front, don't hide how you truly feel.
Let the Buyer Beware of how you truly feel towards them and God. If you really care about others and don't want to hurt them, then let them know where you stand, so they wont be falsely led into a forum that claims to be "open & safe" for them to freely express themselves. Save them & yourself the pain of banning someone for mentioning God on your forum -- unless it is not really painful for you to ban Believers and you actually secretly find pleasure knowing that you have caused a Believer pain. Yes, you have earned your title, Narcissist in Sheep's Clothing.
To the former moderator of DONM forum who resigned his/her position because s/he witnessed the persecution of Believers, I ask you;
How many more is it going to take for you to stop enabling this abusive behavior from Danu and Light?
How many will be too many for you? How much longer will you walk the Path of Pilate?
Mark 15:13-15 (New International Version)
13"Crucify him!" they shouted.
14"Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate.
But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"
15Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.
14"Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate.
But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"
15Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.
You know how Danu truly feels about Believers and you continue to make excuses and look the other way. I know this is bothering you because you have told me, yet you still remain silent. What good does it do a Man/Woman to gain the world, but lose his/her soul? When will the cost of remaining friends with these abusers be to high for you? I promised you that I would not disclose your identity although my flesh is tempting me to do so. When will your loyalty to God be stronger than your loyalty to Danu -- whom do you serve?
Did you see the hate speech in Danu's, the Narcissist in Sheep's Clothing/Hate Monger's statements?
"{I} have long believed that the Christian Churches fall into the category of narcissism."
Remove the words Christian Churches and replace it with your own gender (Women/Men), sexual-orientation, ethnic, culture, religious, non-religious, socioeconomic, profession, or sports group, etc.
"{I} have long believed that Women fall into the category of narcissism."
-- Now do you see the hate?
The model of "I'm perfect, you're scum" is the message narcissists give every day, and that Christianity teaches at its very core.
Let's take the word Christianity and replace it with your own gender (Women/Men), sexual-orientation, ethnic, culture, religious, non-religious, socioeconomic, profession, or sports group
"I'm perfect, you're scum" is the message narcissists give every day, and that Hetero/Homosexuality teaches at its very core.
-- Now do you see the hate?
I must confess, I use to think that all Narcissists/Abusers give off Warning Signs that we were unwilling or unable to pick up on at the time. Looking back on a dysfunctional/abusive relationship hindsight is 20-20 as the saying goes. Sure looking back there were often statements/behaviors that showed us the true nature of the Narcissist/Abuser and we refused to for whatever reason acknowledge - - - However, in some abusive relationships Sometimes there are no warning signs! .
I know that for some people this is hard to believe & accept. I must admit that when I heard a person say that"there just weren't any warning signs", I use to think to myself, sure there were, there are always warning signs, they may have been very subtle and she/we just missed them, that's all. I remember an elder wise woman gave me some great advise when I was single, she said, "When you date a Man he puts his best foot forward, and after you get married his bad foot comes along."
These Narcissists/Abusers/Counterfeits are great deceivers and often wait until you are fully invested and they have your utmost trust & loyalty, until they drop the mask to you. When you do not accept their true identity & hold a mirror up to them you are deemed worthless because they can no longer get NS from you. They deny the truth, Gaslight you to shift the focus & responsibility off of them and if they are very skilled they will even have you doubt yourself & what you experienced with your own eyes. They will discredit you to others (the Narcissist is Sheep's Clothing will use Projection and even call you the Narcissist). When you are of no use to them they Devalue & Discard. You will stand alone against the Narcissist in Sheep's Clothing, until they attack another and another and get so prideful & confident in their deceptive illusion that they finally drop their mask and are revealed for the Counterfeit/NVamp they really are, as shown in the above example.
The truth will eventually come out.
Warning People about Unsafe Helpers, whether they be the admin. & moderator of a forum, or someone in the Helping Field is very necessary & important. This is very personal to me for two reason. (1) It happened to me and has happened to others before me & continues to happen to others after me. (2) Because I have spent my career in the Helping Fields and can not stand by and watch those who are most vulnerable be abused & hurt yet again by a person who was suppose to be safe. Repeated abuse can wound a person so deeply that s/he never trust anyone ever again. 
I can not thank you enough CZ for creating a Safe Forum where people of all sorts of different backgrounds can gather and support one another in a shared experience like dealing w/the N's in their lives (WebofNarcissism.com). This means so much to me.
I never thought that I would once again be caught up in a deceptive web of another Narcissist (due to the all the experiences w/Ns I had in the past), yet because of their Counterfeit persona it is so very easy to do and no fault of our own when someone falsely presents him/herself as supporting, caring, validating, etc. The Narcissist is not honest and does not say how they truly feel, "I hate women or I hate (fill in ANY group of people)". You go along as you have always done believing this person is a safe person who truly cares about your well-being, and then s/he secretly reveals him/herself that they actually hate women (or ANY group that you belong to or identify with) and that painful truth is very shocking & hard to believe that someone this intelligent & this charismatic can be this hateful. Hate in any direction is wrong. A Hate Monger is a person who kindles hatred, enmity, or prejudice in others.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hate+monger
Hate speech is dangerous & against the law in my Country -- to bad there is no way of putting an end to it on the internet.
Hate speech is dangerous & against the law in my Country -- to bad there is no way of putting an end to it on the internet.
Did you see the hate speech in Danu's, the Narcissist in Sheep's Clothing/Hate Monger's statements?
"{I} have long believed that the Christian Churches fall into the category of narcissism."
Remove the words Christian Churches and replace it with your own gender (Women/Men), sexual-orientation, ethnic, culture, religious, non-religious, socioeconomic, profession, or sports group, etc.
"{I} have long believed that Women fall into the category of narcissism."
-- Now do you see the hate?
The model of "I'm perfect, you're scum" is the message narcissists give every day, and that Christianity teaches at its very core.
Let's take the word Christianity and replace it with your own gender (Women/Men), sexual-orientation, ethnic, culture, religious, non-religious, socioeconomic, profession, or sports group
"I'm perfect, you're scum" is the message narcissists give every day, and that Hetero/Homosexuality teaches at its very core.
-- Now do you see the hate?
Again this is not about the vast different viewpoints Danu & I have. It is about how she is a Counterfeit who promotes herself as a safe person to seek help from while she has a hidden agenda to hate & hurt a certain group of people.
I must confess, I use to think that all Narcissists/Abusers give off Warning Signs that we were unwilling or unable to pick up on at the time. Looking back on a dysfunctional/abusive relationship hindsight is 20-20 as the saying goes. Sure looking back there were often statements/behaviors that showed us the true nature of the Narcissist/Abuser and we refused to for whatever reason acknowledge - - - However, in some abusive relationships Sometimes there are no warning signs! .
I know that for some people this is hard to believe & accept. I must admit that when I heard a person say that"there just weren't any warning signs", I use to think to myself, sure there were, there are always warning signs, they may have been very subtle and she/we just missed them, that's all. I remember an elder wise woman gave me some great advise when I was single, she said, "When you date a Man he puts his best foot forward, and after you get married his bad foot comes along."
These Narcissists/Abusers/Counterfeits are great deceivers and often wait until you are fully invested and they have your utmost trust & loyalty, until they drop the mask to you. When you do not accept their true identity & hold a mirror up to them you are deemed worthless because they can no longer get NS from you. They deny the truth, Gaslight you to shift the focus & responsibility off of them and if they are very skilled they will even have you doubt yourself & what you experienced with your own eyes. They will discredit you to others (the Narcissist is Sheep's Clothing will use Projection and even call you the Narcissist). When you are of no use to them they Devalue & Discard. You will stand alone against the Narcissist in Sheep's Clothing, until they attack another and another and get so prideful & confident in their deceptive illusion that they finally drop their mask and are revealed for the Counterfeit/NVamp they really are, as shown in the above example.
The truth will eventually come out.
I totally understand & can relate to the anger people have towards those that FALSLY represent God, Jesus, and Christians. I too have been greatly hurt by Counterfeit Christians. The problem is like with all prejudices to falsely judge & condemn someone or an entire group of people based upon what one person, a few people, or even a bad small group of people did to you is wrong. Remember 911? When a person over generalize and categorize an entire group of people with words of anger & hate -- how is that not hate speech when a person states that we are narcissistic = dangerous, deceptive, untrustworthy, evil/wicked (everything that is true about N's) at the core? This person is creating a We vs. Them Situation where "Them" represents an enemy of "We".Saying that ALL Christians have grandiosity, beliefs of great success, entitlement, lack of empathy, requiring excessive admiration, interpersonally exploitative and arrogance, and that "I'm perfect, you're scum" is at our core isn't that instilling anger, resentment, mistrust and hate? It incites prejudicial action.
If those statements were said about any other group it would be considered hate speech. Christians have the same equal protection under the law.
Hate speech is, outside the law, any communication which disparages a person or a group on the basis of some characteristic such as race or sexual orientation. In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct,writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial actionagainst or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, or other characteristic. In some countries, a victim of hate speech may seek redress under civil law, criminal law, or both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
If you don't agree with me on the Hate Speeh we will have to Agree to Disagree.
The main point I am trying to demonstrate is that if the Admin. of a forum, a help group leader, or a person in a Helping Role has a clear prejudice & an axe to grind, then be honest & state that up front. Don't falsely present yourself as an open, safe & accepting person without clear prejudices, then behind close doors where no one can see you attack a person's beliefs & viewpoints & Gaslight him/her by saying someone broke a rule that doesn't even exist. If you don't want people to mention the word God on your forum, place of business, etc. that is yourchoice, but be honest & up front about it and say so. Don't falsely mislead someone into a trap.
I personally don't agree w/some of the extreme feminist groups, but at least they are upfront about how they view Men. They don't invite Men to tea and when the Man is not looking stab him in the back.
I was abused by a couple of Men in my life and that anger towards them could have easily left me hating all Men and I would miss out on Marrying my bestfriend. If I had a prejudice & anger towards Men I wouldn't open a forum or business and encourage Men to partake. I would say that this forum or business is for Women only because I view ALL Men as untrustworthy, deceptive, dangerous, wicked (all the attributes given to) Narcissists. If I didn't like Men I would not interact w/them. This particular Narcissist in Sheep's Clothing has an hidden motive, can you guess what it is, yes making money. So of course if a Counterfeit's motive is to make money off of anyone s/he can, then s/he would be deceptive/lie about how s/he truly feels about a certain group, because if s/he were honest about how s/he viewed a certain group of people (Christians) as N's, then she would lose out on this population's financial income.
Again this is not about the vast different viewpoints between two people. It is about how a Counterfeit/A Narcissist in Sheep's Clothing who promotes him/herself as a safe person to seek help from while s/he has a hidden agenda to hate & hurt a certain group of people by D&D one after another. If the Christians on her forum knew how she really felt about them they would immediately leave, so she, like all N's, keep her true feelings a secret and attacks when no one is looking.
For an update to the N in Sheep's Clothing at the DONM Forum, and how this N has hurt many others, Click Here.
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